June 01, 2005
Questioning Patriotism
Patterico is "shocked, ... SHOCKED ... to find out there is impugning going on here." He didn't like this post, in which I lit into the filibuster deal nay-sayers. Welcome to the internets, Patterico. The other day, the NY Times ran a piece on the CIA's secret airplane companies. Plenty of bloggers questioned the Times' patriotism. I do, too; I think that article was harmful to American interests. I haven't Googled Patterico's blog to see if any of his criticism of the LA Times impugned the patriotism of those editors and writers. But, I must welcome him to the blogosphere; a lot of that goes on here.
(A digression is needed, because I can see the aggrieved comments now. "But the NYT really IS unpatriotic; I'm just standing up for a sound judiciary." The editors of the NYT, in their world view, surely see their work as in the broader interests of the country, if not the Bush administration. They are as convinced of their patriotism as Patterico is of his. That's the way it goes. People do what they do, and say what they say. Frequently those who disagree claim that such actions are not in the best interest of the country.)
To be clear, I didn't suggest 'lack of patriotism' in a "selling secrets to a foreign power" sense, but in the sense of putting party before country. I stand by that characterization. People who oppose any compromise, who hold out for their inflexible partisan position at all costs, hurt the country.
Patterico continues:
"I would never dare be so glib as to accuse others who hold similar opinions of expressing these opinions simply to boost traffic. I sure as hell am not doing that, and I resent even the slightest implication that I might be."
Perhaps this does need a bit of clarification. I didn't suggest that Michelle Malkin, dKos, Hugh Hewitt, or Patterico himself for that matter, express views contrary to their real opinions in a phony sham. Let me explain. There's a famous psychology experiment in which a professor is manipulated by his class. Whenever he moved to the left side of his podium, the students began shuffling papers, talking, and ignoring him. When he moved to the right, they perked up, paid attention, participated, etc. By the end of the semester, the professor was unconsciously teaching from the extreme edge of his podium. I suggest that something similar is at work with bloggers, as we inevitably and slowly find "what works," and what doesn't. Patterico claims to be immune from this. "I sure as hell am not doing that (expressing these opinions simply to boost traffic) and I resent even the slightest implication that I might be." Good for him; that's very admirable.
One of the easiest, most popular, roles is what I'll call Party Enforcer (I'd better not say "Commissar," because that would be wholly confusing, but that's the role.) Bloggers can look through the news and reserve their severest scorn for the "Party Unfaithful," the Voinoviches, the Gang of 14, and (on the other side of the aisle) the Liebermans. It's easy; it requires no thought, and no depth. One of "us" steps out of line? Simple ... Hit him with both barrels. Your readers will love it. I recall a long time ago, Meryl Yourish accused Ariel Sharon of "not having a spine." Now, I'm a strong supporter of Israel, but whatever criticisms I might level at Ariel Sharon, not being tough enough isn't one of them. So it is with the Main Stream Bloggers. Any Republican who gets out of line ... whammo, they go right after him.
The Main Stream Bloggers (and any others who might admit to being affected by this dynamic) have gone overboard. There's a lot of 'playing to the galleries' in the blogosphere, and at some point, it goes beyond mere entertainment and moves into partisan, even (dare-I-say-it?) "unpatriotic," divisiveness.
Update Bill Ardolino states it succinctly:
"I don't think that most bloggers have consciously manipulative online personas, but I do think that it's become a "political team sport" on almost every issue. ... there's a subconscious tendency to appropriate positions that result in positive reinforcement from the faithful, the folks that butter your bread."
Posted by Commissar at June 1, 2005 09:55 AM | TraktorBack (9)
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I read your post again (your link to your post goes to the comments and not the post). You don't sound like you are accusing the Malkins of this world of simply ramping up the vitriol on opinions they already hold. To me, it looks like you are saying that the deal is obviously the right answer for the country, and anyone who opines otherwise is putting their Sitemeter ahead of honesty and the good of their country.
People can read your post and make up their own minds. That's the way it looks to me.
Extracted from: Patterico at June 1, 2005 12:33 PMForget motivations. That discussion is not helpful. Why not discuss the "deal" itself? Perhaps I could convince you that good judges have enough importance in this country that the capitulation was a bad idea.
Extracted from: Patterico at June 1, 2005 12:50 PM"I don't think that most bloggers have consciously manipulative online personas, but I do think that it's become a "political team sport" on almost every issue. ... there's a subconscious tendency to appropriate positions that result in positive reinforcement from the faithful, the folks that butter your bread."
If one insists on speculating about the motives of others in expressing a particular opinion, what about Jeff Goldstein's speculation as to the possible motives of some blogging moderates who like the compromise:
I might just as easily point out that playing the fearless maverick unafraid of preaching to a partisan choir can itself be construed as a calculated affectation . . .
Indeed. Of course, he goes on to acknowledge that this certainly isn't true in all cases. And you should acknowledge the same about people who oppose the compromise.
Extracted from: Patterico at June 1, 2005 03:55 PM"The commissar" came to my blog and posted the following comment:
"Don't you think that Patterico, is a little, you know, UNPATRIOTIC?"
For one thing, the post on which he commented was completely unrelated to any political issue whatsoever; in fact, it was merely an alert that I had posted new pictures. It seems this was merely an attempt to throw a bomb to a random blogger to get him to comment on something he had written about. Fine, but next time try e-mailing me instead.
Besides, who are you to accuse others of self-interested blogging practices when you do things like this, Commisar?
For the record, Patterico is right: the deal sucks. It is, above all, a declaration that the constitutionally proscribed duty of the Senate to give Presidential nominations an up-or-down vote is for sale in the interests of contemporary political expediency.
Besides, people who refer to the ostensible need for the Senate to move on to more important matters simply insult my intelligence. I would be glad to have the Senate embroiled in the judge controversy even if the only result of it is that it stopped them from trying to transfer the contents of the U.S. Treasury wholesale into the pockets of their constituents for a week or so.
Extracted from: J. Hagglund at June 1, 2005 06:47 PMIs this how you define irony? I think it is. Dissent is Loyalty, Comrade! Push back the Republican running dogs which do not bark against their own convictions for the sake of your convictions! Down with the SoCons, Up with the NecroCons! Your bravery and nobility will be a light throughout all history and the leaders and followers of both parties will hail your name as the bridge to Utopia!
Commissar, on a more serious note you seem to be objecting to the debate itself instead of arguing against specific positions or policy formulations. And this is only my personal opinion and doesn't reflect a lot of serious consideration or deliberation, but I find affected nobility to be tedious and I don't think it becomes you.
Extracted from: The Apologist at June 1, 2005 08:06 PMIt isn't about a Republican getting out of line. Most people aren't Republicans because they feel some unexplainable allegiance to that particular party. People become Republicans because they agree with them on most issues. Fact is, the Republicans are supposed to be the ideological conservatives, and yes, when they don't act it, they hear it from the voters.
Side note: We had Daniel Pipes on our show last week and he called Sharon a 'left-wing liberal' so the opinion that he's weak isn't that unusual and it isn't limited to the blogosphere.
Extracted from: Karol at June 2, 2005 01:34 AMJ. Hagglund, you mean prescribed. And it's not a constitutional duty. I'm not thrilled with this compromise, but the consitutional argument is horsefeathers.
Neither the filibuster nor the up-or-down vote is constitutionally required; both are internal to the senate.
That's your opinion, but there is a decent argument going the other way.
Extracted from: Patterico at June 2, 2005 08:52 AMJust a small observation: I see remarkably little questioning of people's patriotism in the blogosphere. Mind you, I do it--and I do it a good deal more than most other people that I've seen. But I'm terribly specific about what behaviors I call that, and it usually boils down to obviously putting partisan interests ahead of country.
I'm not certain that's a fair cop to everyone who objected to the Senate compromise (and for the record, I'm on record as not giving much of a shit about the judicial flap anyway), but I would say bashing people who disagree with you just because it feels good when there are greater causes would qualify. But Patterico's one of the more honorable people I know in the 'sphere.
I'll also say for the record: I think the phenomenon of "preaching to the choir" only works for most people for a while. Then it gets old and stale and uncomfortable, and the only people who can keep it up are the complete lunatics and whackjobs, or those who are making serious money doing it (Coulter, Kos, Krugman, etc.).
I do notice after three and a half years of this that every once in a while when a flap starts, other people accuse others of this sort of thing. It used to be called link-whoring, now I guess it's choir-preaching. But whatever. I would merely point out that at some point, unless someone's making serious money blogging, it's probably safest to assume that most of the time they're just being honest in how they feel.
For the record, I don't think anyone at all anywhere in the story covered themselves with glory on the judicial flap. I don't think Democrats did by filibustering, I don't think Republicans did by hemming and hawing for months on end trying to figure out how to respond in any way other than whining, and I don't even thing the 14 "moderates" did anything particularly noble either. So, let the people who are mad be mad.
(Hmm, did I say anything substantive here or am I just spinning my wheels? I'm not sure.)
"People who oppose any compromise, who hold out for their inflexible partisan position at all costs, hurt the country."
This is the rub. The statement above may or may not be true. It depends what the "partisan position" is. What if one party wanted to defend against a nuclear threat from terrorists and the other didn't?
The problem is simple: You don't like the compromise. Fine. To play word games and call people like Patterico "unpatriotic" is absurd.
So, wrong headed-political positions hurt the country. Then, we're unpatriotic when we're wrong?
The willingness of the Dems to resume their filibustering has better informed us on this issue. I believe that it is now clear that the compromise was a huge mistake, one that the leftists will exploit as best they can.
Extracted from: kyle at June 4, 2005 12:12 PMI didn't suggest that Michelle Malkin, dKos, Hugh Hewitt, or Patterico himself for that matter, express views contrary to their real opinions in a phony sham.
You wrote that "they regularly churn out manufactured controversy," and that their behavior is "shameful" and "beneath contempt". It's hard to believe you weren't accusing anyone of conscious dishonesty.
Extracted from: MDP at June 9, 2005 06:09 PM

