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	<title>Comments on: Hillary&#8217;s Desperation, Round 57</title>
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		<title>By: Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</title>
		<link>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137759</link>
		<author>Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Unabrewer</title>
		<link>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137765</link>
		<author>The Unabrewer</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137765</guid>
					<description>Since you've shown evidence in the past that you read Hot Air, I'm assuming you've seen their posts showing Obama slipping in the polls in Pennsylvania and Indiana.  This particular self-selected crowd might have had some vocal Obama supporters, but overall it seems that his comments have hurt him in Pennsylvania.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you&#8217;ve shown evidence in the past that you read Hot Air, I&#8217;m assuming you&#8217;ve seen their posts showing Obama slipping in the polls in Pennsylvania and Indiana.  This particular self-selected crowd might have had some vocal Obama supporters, but overall it seems that his comments have hurt him in Pennsylvania.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kauffman</title>
		<link>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137784</link>
		<author>Dan Kauffman</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137784</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Obama slipping in the polls in Pennsylvania &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I am not certain going from a dead tie to a 20 point difference could be called a "slip"

More of a catastrophic plummet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Obama slipping in the polls in Pennsylvania </p></blockquote>
<p>I am not certain going from a dead tie to a 20 point difference could be called a &#8220;slip&#8221;</p>
<p>More of a catastrophic plummet</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137786</link>
		<author>Alon Levy</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137786</guid>
					<description>Do you have links? On RealClearPolitics, he seems to be consistently polling within seven to ten points of Clinton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have links? On RealClearPolitics, he seems to be consistently polling within seven to ten points of Clinton.</p>
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		<title>By: David C.</title>
		<link>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137787</link>
		<author>David C.</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137787</guid>
					<description>So what's your prediction for how bad Obama is going to lose in PA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what&#8217;s your prediction for how bad Obama is going to lose in PA?</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137791</link>
		<author>Alon Levy</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137791</guid>
					<description>I predict ten points.</description>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137792</link>
		<author>Alon Levy</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137792</guid>
					<description>(This is deliberately lowballed; the polls average seven, but I'm guessing Pennsylvania has enough racists for the polls to fib a bit.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(This is deliberately lowballed; the polls average seven, but I&#8217;m guessing Pennsylvania has enough racists for the polls to fib a bit.)</p>
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		<title>By: canuckistani</title>
		<link>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137793</link>
		<author>canuckistani</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137793</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;(This is deliberately lowballed; the polls average seven, but I’m guessing Pennsylvania has enough racists for the polls to fib a bit.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How condescending of you. You must be some kind of big city elitist. :-)

I'll say 9, on the grounds that I think people really are bitter about their jobs going overseas and aren't nearly as put out by Obama's comments as the CNN commentators are. 

But then, I'm a condescending elitist too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>(This is deliberately lowballed; the polls average seven, but I’m guessing Pennsylvania has enough racists for the polls to fib a bit.)</p></blockquote>
<p>How condescending of you. You must be some kind of big city elitist. <img src='http://acepilots.com/mt/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say 9, on the grounds that I think people really are bitter about their jobs going overseas and aren&#8217;t nearly as put out by Obama&#8217;s comments as the CNN commentators are. </p>
<p>But then, I&#8217;m a condescending elitist too.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137794</link>
		<author>Stephen</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137794</guid>
					<description>RCP's average of polls shows Clinton ahead by 7-8 pts. The 20-pointer was from ARG, whose record is so spotty overall, that RCP doesn't even include them.

Alon, if anything, this year, there has been a reverse Bradley effect, as African-Americans poll for Obama 75-25 (for example), but then vote for him &gt; 90%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RCP&#8217;s average of polls shows Clinton ahead by 7-8 pts. The 20-pointer was from ARG, whose record is so spotty overall, that RCP doesn&#8217;t even include them.</p>
<p>Alon, if anything, this year, there has been a reverse Bradley effect, as African-Americans poll for Obama 75-25 (for example), but then vote for him > 90%.</p>
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		<title>By: David C.</title>
		<link>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137795</link>
		<author>David C.</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Alon,

It's the &lt;a href="http://americanresearchgroup.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;latest ARG poll&lt;/a&gt;  They had the PA race even on April 5.  But the April11-13 poll has Hillary opening a 20 point lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alon,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the <a href="http://americanresearchgroup.com/" rel="nofollow">latest ARG poll</a>  They had the PA race even on April 5.  But the April11-13 poll has Hillary opening a 20 point lead.</p>
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		<title>By: David C.</title>
		<link>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137796</link>
		<author>David C.</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137796</guid>
					<description>I'm going with a 12 point Clinton win.  Obama's stupid comments  help give Clinton continued life and hope (however faint).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going with a 12 point Clinton win.  Obama&#8217;s stupid comments  help give Clinton continued life and hope (however faint).</p>
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		<title>By: Davebo</title>
		<link>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137797</link>
		<author>Davebo</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137797</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s the latest ARG poll They had the PA race even on April 5. But the April11-13 poll has Hillary opening a 20 point lead.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Which would seem to indicate that the latest isn't just an outlier among other polls, but among ARG polls themselves.

7 point Hillary win is my guess, but it's purely a guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s the latest ARG poll They had the PA race even on April 5. But the April11-13 poll has Hillary opening a 20 point lead.</p>
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<p>Which would seem to indicate that the latest isn&#8217;t just an outlier among other polls, but among ARG polls themselves.</p>
<p>7 point Hillary win is my guess, but it&#8217;s purely a guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137800</link>
		<author>Alon Levy</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137800</guid>
					<description>Oh, I'd be thrilled for Obama to win Pennsylvania. This will destroy whatever's left of Clinton's candidacy. I still support Clinton on policy, but damn it, can this damned primary please end already?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I&#8217;d be thrilled for Obama to win Pennsylvania. This will destroy whatever&#8217;s left of Clinton&#8217;s candidacy. I still support Clinton on policy, but damn it, can this damned primary please end already?</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137801</link>
		<author>Alon Levy</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137801</guid>
					<description>Canuck, if you think I'm harsh when talking about race relations in rural Pennsylvania, wait till you hear me talk about race relations in New York City.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canuck, if you think I&#8217;m harsh when talking about race relations in rural Pennsylvania, wait till you hear me talk about race relations in New York City.</p>
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		<title>By: John the Marine</title>
		<link>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137811</link>
		<author>John the Marine</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>If Obama looses PA by 10 points + or - 2 points he is no worse off than before.  His comments in San Fran were indeed politically stupid though.  If I were running H-beast's or McCain's campaign I would use them.  

Also, being a guy who owns guns, goes to church and lives in rural NH (recently moved from a small town in PA) I'm surprised to know that I'm so bitter and curious as to how it makes me racist?  Hell, I felt pretty good when I woke up this morning I didn't even know I was so angry or that I hated minorities or was clinging to my faith because of my frustration.  Perhaps the truth of the matter is Obama was speaking to a leftwing elitist crowd (hello Frisco!) and had tailored his remarks to please that particular demographic.  After all politicians have many faces and wear the one that suits the moment.  It's not like Obama claimed he was being shot at or something really ridiculous.  Even in the mist of my resentment I give Barrack a pass for committing a garden variety political misstep.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I still support Clinton on policy, but damn it, can this damned primary please end already?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, just a little longer Alon.  I'm enjoying the show.  My personel dream is for an extremely messy fight where in the end H-beast looses (I want to see the surrender speech so badly.  Whose fault will it be when she looses to a true dye in the wool Liberal?  Perhaps another vast rightwing conspiracy?).  With final result being a fractured Democratic party that snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.  Hey, a guy can dream if he wants to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Obama looses PA by 10 points + or - 2 points he is no worse off than before.  His comments in San Fran were indeed politically stupid though.  If I were running H-beast&#8217;s or McCain&#8217;s campaign I would use them.  </p>
<p>Also, being a guy who owns guns, goes to church and lives in rural NH (recently moved from a small town in PA) I&#8217;m surprised to know that I&#8217;m so bitter and curious as to how it makes me racist?  Hell, I felt pretty good when I woke up this morning I didn&#8217;t even know I was so angry or that I hated minorities or was clinging to my faith because of my frustration.  Perhaps the truth of the matter is Obama was speaking to a leftwing elitist crowd (hello Frisco!) and had tailored his remarks to please that particular demographic.  After all politicians have many faces and wear the one that suits the moment.  It&#8217;s not like Obama claimed he was being shot at or something really ridiculous.  Even in the mist of my resentment I give Barrack a pass for committing a garden variety political misstep.</p>
<blockquote><p>I still support Clinton on policy, but damn it, can this damned primary please end already?</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, just a little longer Alon.  I&#8217;m enjoying the show.  My personel dream is for an extremely messy fight where in the end H-beast looses (I want to see the surrender speech so badly.  Whose fault will it be when she looses to a true dye in the wool Liberal?  Perhaps another vast rightwing conspiracy?).  With final result being a fractured Democratic party that snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.  Hey, a guy can dream if he wants to.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137816</link>
		<author>Alon Levy</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh, it doesn't make you a racist at all. I invoked race because the Bradley effect is real, especially in redder areas, such as middle Pennsylvania. Obviously an individual isn't a racist just because he owns guns, but the demographics in rural Pennsylvania aren't that different from in those parts of Virginia that created the original Bradley effect.

And again, that's just one form of racism. In New York, I don't think there was a Bradley effect with Dinkins. Instead, people just bash every mayor who listens to minorities occasionally, and shrug it off when NYPD shoots unarmed civilians. The local motto is "You guys are all racists. We're not; our minorities really are lazy criminals."

Going back to Obama, so far I don't see any blowback. In Gallup's most recent tracking poll, which includes results taken entirely after that comment, his performance against both Clinton and McCain has changed by a statistically insignificant amount. Rasmussen's tracking poll shows a small decline against Clinton, and no significant change against McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, it doesn&#8217;t make you a racist at all. I invoked race because the Bradley effect is real, especially in redder areas, such as middle Pennsylvania. Obviously an individual isn&#8217;t a racist just because he owns guns, but the demographics in rural Pennsylvania aren&#8217;t that different from in those parts of Virginia that created the original Bradley effect.</p>
<p>And again, that&#8217;s just one form of racism. In New York, I don&#8217;t think there was a Bradley effect with Dinkins. Instead, people just bash every mayor who listens to minorities occasionally, and shrug it off when NYPD shoots unarmed civilians. The local motto is &#8220;You guys are all racists. We&#8217;re not; our minorities really are lazy criminals.&#8221;</p>
<p>Going back to Obama, so far I don&#8217;t see any blowback. In Gallup&#8217;s most recent tracking poll, which includes results taken entirely after that comment, his performance against both Clinton and McCain has changed by a statistically insignificant amount. Rasmussen&#8217;s tracking poll shows a small decline against Clinton, and no significant change against McCain.</p>
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		<title>By: canuckistani</title>
		<link>http://acepilots.com/mt/2008/04/14/hillarys-desperation-round-57/#comment-137990</link>
		<author>canuckistani</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey, final results according to the  NYTimes - HRC 54.7, BHO 45.3 - a margin of 9.4%.

Further up this thread, you may notice that someone called it at 9%. Someone really smart. Why.. it was me!

Do I get a prize?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, final results according to the  NYTimes - HRC 54.7, BHO 45.3 - a margin of 9.4%.</p>
<p>Further up this thread, you may notice that someone called it at 9%. Someone really smart. Why.. it was me!</p>
<p>Do I get a prize?</p>
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