Global Warming - Let’s talk sea levels

I’m not sure what to make of the global warming debate. With the release of algore’s “Inconvenient Truths,” the discussion is front-and-center again. On the one side the many scientists and politicians who warn that human activites (CO2 emissions, for example) have added to global warming, that it is worsening, and that we must take steps to alleviate it; these are the “advocates.” On the other side — the skeptics, the rebutters.

The complex forecasting models used are beyond my understanding. About the only way for me to make sense of this debate is to look at the competing claims of the different sides, and see which seems more compelling, more objective.

The two sides must necessarily take different approaches. The advocates will roll out a ton of data models and scientific consensus, and assuming the citizenry’s trust in a non-conspiratorial science establishment, seek to persuade with efforts like “Inconvenient Truths.” The skeptic/rebutters must take a different tack; they must pick out ten of the advocates’ 100 arguments and show that these ten are flawed.

Like the parents of small children, the skeptics “choose their battles.” In effect, they don’t have to argue the other ninety points. If they pick ten points, and demolish them, then that is very persuasive. But, and this is important, they must be very, very persuasive and objective on their ten chosen points. If they accuse the advocates of cherry-picking, selectivity, or other errors, the rebuttals (on the ten selected points) must not include the same flaws.

In this article from TCS Daily - Inconvenient Truths Indeed, Robert Balling does about what I have described. He goes after six points. The one about historical sea levels was quoted in Powerline, and attracted my attention. Unlike forecast models, historical sea levels would seem to be more easily determined, less subject to interpretation.

Gore claims that sea level rise could drown the Pacific islands, Florida, major cities the world over, and the 9/11 Memorial in New York City. No mention is made of the fact that sea level has been rising at a rate of 1.8 mm per year for the past 8,000 years; the IPCC notes that “No significant acceleration in the rate of sea level rise during the 20th century has been detected.”

That is interesting. Sea levels have been rising at a rate of 1.8 mm per year for the past 8,000 years. If you’re like me, you would assume that that’s a representative, unbiased, “straight-shooter” kind of a number, right? It’s algore and the lefty scientist advocates and scare-mongers who are cherry-picking and so forth, right?

Hmmm. Look at this chart of Holocene sea levels:

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Oh. Sea levels rose rapidly 8,000 - 7,000 years ago, but for the past 7,000 years have flattened out. That “1.8mm per year” is like drawing a straight diagonal line on this graph. Not a lie, but not exactly representative of the data. If sea levels began rising at 1.8mm per year over the next decade, would that be “business as usual,” or a historic change?

BTW, the forecasts are for sea levels to rise by 50cm to 1 meter in the next century, somewhat more than double the increase of the 20th century.

I looked a little more. 8,000 years isn’t very long. What about over longer time frames?

250px-Post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png
Same story. Since the glaciers melted about 18,000 years ago, sea levels rose, and have flattened out for the past 7,000 years.

Now I’m beginning to understand that sentence: “No significant acceleration in the rate of sea level rise during the 20th century has been detected.” And here’s the chart of the past century:

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I don’t know what to make of that little red bit at the end. But here is a baseline. We have good data going back to 1880. Let’s see if it trends up in the coming years.

One more chart, going way back, over 800,000 years ago.

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It looks like sea levels have fluctuated a lot over the past 800,000 years. And, we are at an all-time high right now. I’m getting on thin ice here, but if we are at an all-time high, shouldn’t ocean levels be trending down? Is “no significant acceleration in the rate of sea level rise” a comforting trend? In any case, in a discussion of historical sea levels (however brief), the fact that they are at a million-year high is noteworthy.

I’m still not sure what to make of it. But the skeptic Balling didn’t cover himself in impartial, objective glory on the battleground of his choice - historical sea level data.

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Comments

  1. tommy wrote:

    here is my favorite global warming article.

    There seems to be cherry picking of data by just about everyone involved in this discussion. The only way to find out for sure is to do nothing and wait and see what happens and most likely that is what will be done.

    It’ll be OK unless the alarmists are right.

  2. SeanH wrote:

    If you go back even farther though our current high turns out to be about the lowest in 200 million years and nearly the lowest in the past 540 million. This is just a guess, but I’d bet if you could zoom in on that graph it would always fluctuate pretty damn wildly at thousands-of-years scales just like your last chart.

    I’m not sure what to think about sea levels rising or global warming either, but I sure haven’t seen any evidence that rising temperatures and sea levels are actually going to be harmful to anything but some peoples’ property over the next thousand years or so. The sea level 100 million years ago was 200 meters higher than today’s. We’re supposed to freak out over a half meter rise?

  3. bill wrote:

    Look to the sun for the real truth to this nonsense. The sunspot cycle in particular.

  4. The Sanity Inspector wrote:

    The big handicap with climate prediction is that there’s no alternative to modeling. The entire earth is the subject, and that won’t fit into a lab.

    OTOH, I have great respect for the phenomenon of aggregate research. If ice cores, weather balloons, satellite imaging, tree ring analysis, and dozens of other disparate sources of data point to the same general conclusions, then that should not be sneezed off.

  5. Purple Avenger wrote:

    The “warming” is apparently real if measurments over the past few hundred years are to be believed.

    However, what is going largely ignored is that the sun’s output has gone up measurably during the same period. Somewhere in the range of 4 Watts/square meter.

    4 Watts may not seem like much, but that’s an extra 1000+ Watts over the surface of the roof of a 3000sq/ft house.

    Where does this extra 4 Watts go? Not too far if you consider the insulation value of ordinary air. 10′ of air has an “R-value” of 120 (about 3X the recommended value for ordinary residential attic insulation). What’s a few miles of air worth?

  6. Kevin wrote:

    All I came away with from these charts is that, regardless of what man does, the seas will rise and fall, and the temperature will as well. The earth is self-moderating, as the cyclical temperatures suggest.

    I don’t know who came up with the idea that the earth is fragile, but he should be shot. Heck, even in radiation ridden Hiroshima and Chernobyl, you can’t stop her. Leave the climate alone, and quit worrying so damned much.

  7. Ric Locke wrote:

    It is a known fact, from historical records, that the period 800 AD to 1100 AD was warmer than normal; it’s called the “Medieval Climactic Optimum”. Its peak was around 900 AD. There were people growing grain in Greenland, and Thuringia was a center of wine production. Note also that this was the height of the “Anasazi” culture — Chaco Canyon and all that — in the American Southwest.

    It is a known fact, from historical records, that the period 600 BC to about 0 was warmer than normal; it’s called the “Roman Warm” because it coincides almost perfectly with the peak of the Roman Empire. Its peak was around 200 BC.

    There is weaker evidence of another warm period centered around roughly 1300 BC, more or less coinciding with the time of the Biblical patriarchs. The end of that warm period, IIRC, also saw the end of the Harappa culture in what is now Kashmir and Afghanistan. The Aryan culture invaded from the North.

    And if you want to complain about all that, don’t talk to me. Talk to the historians, archaeologists, and anthropologists who have been taking “warm periods” and “cool periods” for granted in the data for years, long before “global warming” was a political football.

    And if you’ll look at that graph, each of those periods corresponds to a dip in sea level according to the data presented. There’s also another dip, this one big enough for the “trend” to be attracted to it, at around 2400-2500 BC. The data points aren’t close enough together, and the error bars aren’t small enough, to actually tease anything like that out of the data, but it shows to the eye.

    All of which points to a cycle with a period of around a thousand years, maybe 1100 plus or minus 100 or so, with the peaks warmer and the troughs colder than average. If that’s the case we should be at or nearing a peak, and so would expect warming.

    Sure enough, there’s warming — on Mars, according to NASA data. There’s warming of the cloud tops on Jupiter, causing stronger storms and possibly the creation of a new Red Spot. There’s detectable warming on Pluto despite the fact that it’s getting farther away at the moment. Not many SUVs (or coal-fired generating plants) on Pluto that I know of. I hadn’t seen a definitive statement that the solar “constant” had increased, although I had noted that my old books cited a smaller value than the newer ones do.

    After years of skepticism I have come to the conclusion that some small amount of warming is occurring. Based on the historical record and the science I’ve seen, I have yet to be persuaded, let alone convinced, that (1) human activities are the slam-dunk certain causes of it or (2) it will be a disaster for everybody or even a large number of people. Graphs like that one do nothing to convince me; in fact, I’ve just come up with a plausible anti argument for (2)!

    It’s interesting science. Basing policy decisions on it in its present state is stupid.

    Regards,
    Ric

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